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March 02, 2008

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Adverlets Exposed

This is a good article!!!

You might also wanna read the following:

Advertlets Exposed:

http://fireopal82.blogspot.com/2009/03/advertlets-exposed.html

For all of you who have probably known that Advertlets is well known for slow, or even no, payment terms, you might be wondering, what the big deal is this post all about….

Here is the big deal:

An email was sent to Advertlets CEO, Josh Lim, this morning (24th March 2009) at 1147 hours with regards to a business enquiry on Advertisements and our dear Advertlets CEO actually replied not once, but twice at 1155hrs and 1220hrs.

chandani

This is a really good article.

Entrepreneur

This is a great article and carefully laid out, but I have say that I disagree on several points.

(1) I believe The Long Tail effect has reached Asia. It is simply the advertising agencies that have not been able to take advantage of it.

For example, one of the most promising new advertising companies today is PROJECT WONDERFUL which displays ads on an auction basis, with no regard to click thrus. If Asia is notorious for low CTR's and click fraud, this is actually the best method to deploy and not the current format in which all 3 local (Malaysian) advertising agencies are doing it.

(2) COMPETITION is great and anyone wanting exclusivity has missed the point of completely. The fight between Nuffnang and Advertlets reached ridiculous proportions as the two mud-slinged each other while the advertisers laughed. Their juvenile performance showed that immaturity, not just of the founders, but of the entire industry. The presence of COMPETITION is good! It legitimizes and shows there's a market. There are only 2 players, well 3 players now with Blog2U. If advertisers are ever to take the blogging community as a legitimate form of marketing in Singapore, there better be more companies staking a claim.

(3) MNC's and SME's and even really small businesses realize the traffic from the web comes from anywhere and everywhere and won't begrudge you for showing their ad to someone not in your region. What they will begrudge is that no one visits your blog at all and the only eyeball they are getting are yours.

The advertisers are there. They're ready. It's the advertising platforms that are not. Why else will you see so many Singapore ads served on GOOGLE ads? They're not going to Nuffnang or Advertlets or even Blog2U because the eyeballs they reach are so few via those blogs and unfortunately, many of Singapore's most popular blogs tend to be juvenile in nature.

Paddy Tan

Hi Bernard, thanks for this article. I am sharing it with my students, friends and our bloggers too. :)


At the end of the day, running a startup be it online or offline business, cash flow is one sinker that can topple even the biggest earning companies as running the business is gonna be a marathon rather than a 100m dash. We are able to pay upfront not becos we get paid by advertisers upfront (that be the best clients to have! hahah!) but we tap onto the experience gained when running BAK2u, to try to efficiently handle the cash in/out of the business.

Many things can go wrong running a startup and especially in such hypercompetitive business environment in the online advertising space. If we grow too fast, running faster than the market before it is ready, it will kill us. If we run too slow than our competitors (and many other standing by waiting for the right chance to strike), we will also kill ourselves. Either way difficult decisions have to be made swiftly.

BLOG2u will not the the newest nor the last company to enter the scene here, which is why before we can dash completely we need to build up the foundation first and learn and unlearn our mistakes that we already started making.

It is such article that will give us a wake up call on what we can do to better improve what we are not doing right and what we can further enhance overtime too.

Thank you,
Paddy Tan

Anonymous

I have heard quite a few comments that people have either not received their cheques from NuffNang or Advertlets or the cheques have come unsigned. Still happening till this date. Blog2U doesn't have the same issues though. Guess the business model is a bit different.

Nic

Thanks for the nice link Bernard, and coming from a great article too!

I like the objective views you've taken and expressed in this article, it does help put some sense and balance to this often over-heated arena.

The local blog advertising scene is a maturing one and has personally taken me by surprise many times with it's new developments. I personally have had to rethink quite a few of the earlier positions I took as new developments came up.

But end of the day, it's still business. And the fundamentals still remain - maintaining healthy cashflow, delivering customer value, watching your PR, and so on.

The Singapore Daily

Interesting point about Asians having lower clickthroughs then their western counterpart. Might this be a case of a lack of targeting on the Advertiser's part and a lack of depth in blog owners' understanding of its readers. Great article Bernard. Thanks!

ming

Dear Ice Angel,

It surprised me to see your post here.

As mentioned on the phone, I will reissue you the two cheques we previously sent out. Both were sent out on time, and it confounds me how you have not recieved them, we pride ourselves in delivering all payments as promptly as possible!

Do use our helpdesk to submit queries in the future as it was by chance that I came back to read this thread! It is your money after all! :-)

Best,
Ming

tokyotribe28

Great review! Thanks for the article.

jiinjoo

On the flip side, I do hope we consider the opposite on certain points above:

1. Maybe bloggers in the region should consider a wider audience, or a niche that spans a wider geography. It's unfortunate that most big corporation that has online marketing budget are segmented by country based business units for legal purposes, and thus they want a geographically focused audience, however I believe all 3 companies mentioned here has the capability to segment the market for them. Think how to beat Google's target based advertising. I find it sad that IDA chose to advertise the National Infocomm Scholarship via adsense instead of either of the company above. Remember to THINK BIG when running a startup.

2. An option away from focusing on the yet to emerge "long tail" is to take a look at the "short head" - D'oh! Homer would say. e.g. onemotoring earns 6 digits in advertising alone annually (sorry can't reveal exact figure) - if you can't beat them, join them - see if your technology can make a 6 digit ad revenue grow to 7 or 8 digit. In fact the so called "major companies" are not ignoring marketing, they are just putting their money at the "short head". See how citibank plaster City Hall MRT in S'pore, or how Digi plaster Happy no every tiang of the LRT in KL? They are practicing it similarly online.

imho, online ad can be much more than real estate - as long as we put it the effort to think about the technology and business model to enable a new dimension.

ice-angel

haha.
Nuffnang seldom give me ads though and i see my friends with much lesser hits getting more ads that me :( I've not gotten any successful cheque from them since i started serving ads for them... But still, im sticking to them because they somehow represents singapore's official blog advertising company.

Advertlets pays me more than hundreds per month, and i received them successfully. But some of my friends didn't receive theirs though =x

Blog2U is quite efficient i should say :D

Bernard Leong

Kevin,

Thanks for the comments and thoughts on the article, particularly, on the issue on the lack of long tail. You are right, the shifts in the media landscape has seemed to go against the media profession, given that the "cult of the amateurs" as argued by Andrew Keen are distributing content much faster and making it accessible. What social media has done accidentally, is to break the stronghold of the big corporations on the ownership of the media. For example, let's look at the US Elections going on now. It is much easier for me to find a video or clip on the candidates than go to MSNBC, CBS or Fox News for them.

The way to mitigate the "inherent" nature of the industry in Southeast Asia is to find a way to pay for the media content while giving access of that content to everyone. Ultimately, the important rule about distributing free content out there is the following: "Who pays for it?". Actually, some parts of the media industry are adopting the model that the Advertisers pay for it. For example, you can watch the NBC TV series "Heroes" online if you are in the US, but you are subjected to advertising. That's because Nissan is paying for everyone to watch the series.

Ming,

Thanks for the note and comments (and I have replied to your point above to Kevin), and I will hope to catch up with you sometime soon. Of course, good to know that Nuffnang is expanding.

Good luck with your ventures. :)

Daryl Tay,

Thanks for the note. Of course, at the end of the day, online advertising on blogs is a game of real estate. I think that it's likely to measure through eyeballs than by click throughs.

Daryl Tay

This is a really good article. As a Singaporean, the stuff really rings through to me. That's why a lot of locals can't believe it when Google makes money from click throughs. "What? Who even looks at ads?"

Ming

Yo Bernard,

Interesting and informative expose on the blog advertising scene in Singapore.

I agree with you and kevin about the long tail of advertisers in SG. There is just not enough mass at this point of time, and I lean towards kevin's arguments that this is inherent and will not change or "mature" in the long run.

Of course I hope otherwise, as this would mean a more vibrant entrepeneurial ecosystem.

With regards to your feedback about payment. We try our best to make prompt payment, and definitely there is more room for improvement. As we increase the staff count in Singapore, we can increase the number of "admin" days, to handle this. Right now, our resources are focussed on finding advertising dollars (meaning we're out most of the time), with dedicated days to admin. As you can imagine (all finance related issues have to go through me, for control purposes).

You are also absoloutely correct in saying that our main competitors are the big boys, and that is where Nuffnang's focus is at this point of time. You can see that in our improvement in technology/UI, and also in our stable of advertisers, who include all top brands.

Do jio me next time you guys meet up, and we can discuss further how to improve local advertising networks' chances in the global playing field!

Look out for exciting developments in the near future too. Will keep you posted!

p.s. Kevin, when you coming back!??

Best,
Ming

Kevin

Bernard, well done on an elaborate deconstruction of the present blog advertising trend in Singapore and Malaysia. It's a useful platform for deeper discussion into the metrics of influence, which at best is still difficult to properly assess.

On the issue of the "lack of a long tail", I see two incumbent forces: 1) The online advertising industry in Singapore is still at its infancy, compared to traditional media channels, 2) The local market might be too small to sustain the long tail (i.e. any niches).

While, advertising is still the most direct way to give "dollar value" for online content / traffic, there's a larger issue at foot. As seen in the recent strike by the Writers' Guild of America, the TV networks haven't found a way to appraise online content, because it's mostly made free by the amateur netizens. These experiences show us what's clearly shifting in our media landscape.

Free user-generated content from Youtubers, Flickr photographers, political bloggers, it's a major trend against the media profession, from devaluing online content, to even the job cuts in the industry. As noted by Mark Deuze, and if interested, see his "Precariousness of the Media Industry". I'm not saying this is a negative trend, but rather it's a shift that needs to be addressed not with traditional forms of financial economics, but new informational and socially-oriented ones.

I personally see the traditional concept of advertising as a stop-gap solution to deriving value from one's online labor. It's hardly good enough to say something (e.g. per per click) is better than nothing. I'd think a more integrative marketing approach via blogs would be better since the commercial agenda would have to be better aligned with one's blog content / personality (based on measures of influence).

Alternatively, I'm leaning towards a more natural means of seeing rewards for online content, specifically currencies beyond money, e.g. forms of Community-based Currency.

I hope my two-cent is taken in good faith. I've been intrigued about the sever lack of measures for valuing online content, as you can see from the deposition I've taken on my blog. Still, it can be a good thing, since non-market oriented content is a sign of authenticity, in pursuit of a true-r marketplace of ideas.

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