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Comments

Roderick

Hi Bernard,

Finally found your blog! And on this particular topic too. Just catching up on my blog surfing...waaay up.

I'm not sure if I agree with your classification of 'reasonable' and 'unreasonable' blogs though. The latter are more strident, yes, but it strikes me that 'unreasonable' (or 'reasonable' for that matter) is a very vague term.

(I'm sorry that those blogs 'attacked' you. But still.)

So are depictions of blogs that are 'centrist' or 'moderate'. My point is, not all blogs can fit easily or conveniently into those terms, and blogs do not always accurately reflect the real feelings and motivations of their authors. For example, if you read my blog, you may call me a centrist/moderate; but if you asked me about my political views, you might realise that I'm something else quite different :)

I don't expect a reply here, but if you want to continue this 'conversaton', you can email me - you already have the address.

Best,
Roderick

kwokheng

That's if we can indeed take the 'leak' as a clear indicator that the govt deems your interpretation true.

Unless of course, you're from the govt.

And thus for that reason, it still remains to be seen if your interpretation is indeed, true.

Otherwise, the general perception is that the identity is still important.

After all, you mustn't forget: Modern law systems all depend on the definition of individual and personal identity.

And this holds most saliently in a polity that has tags its citizens with identification numbers.

Unless we are going to move to a system like Australia's, where people do not have ID numbers, I doubt we should nor can we presume so much regarding the government's stand.


kh

whybegay

One George Yeo's post on his blog does not represent the entire government's stand. But who cares about the identity of a person but the message? So what the government has now said is still correct and not conflicting when it said to focus on the message and not on the person. Who cares about identity and credibility as long as the message makes sense?

kwokheng

whybegay:

perhaps. but if you look here, MFA's George Yeo does say, explicitly, in pt #3:

If you are anonymous, you will not be credible, and the Police may still be able to find out who you are.
kwokheng

KTM:

That's the whole problem of them rebutting comments anonymously.

It just very simply, polarises what is given a continuum of views, to something of a duality.

They're just not helping themselves in this regard.

Blogosphere was evening out; the blogosphere now (or just before that asinine article) is very different from what Denise Phua had in mind.

To me, it's a clear-cut case of some people not doing their homework.


kh

kwokheng

BL:

That's the main problem with this move of theirs.

As in, if people cannot at first impression, think of something positive associated with this move, then people will surely think the negatively.

I suspect it's a honest mistake.

At the same time, I also have my reservations from playing wei-qi, no matter how silly that may sound.

—A mysterious move is sometimes a good move on the wei-qi board, though try as I may, I seriously cannot see how this tactic of theirs ought to fit in any prevalent strategy.


kh

whybegay

bernard,
you said,
"In the old days, they will say that if you don't dare to speak up with your own name, the information associated with that anonymous individual will be discharged as rubbish and not credible information."

Actually I don't remember the government having usch a point of view. (Can you state an example where you made the inference?) If you meant about the Mr Brown case where Ms Bhavani said Mr Brown should not hide behind his moniker, I believe she meant that he should not mix his political views behind his humourous jokes, which could have a denigrating and trivialising effect on serious matters.

If people start to think politics is not serious to them, they could very well go on to become apathetic of it. Now this would be undesirable.

Bernard Leong

KTM,

Understand that the classification is made according to the political spectrum. You can always suggest your own form of classification. Also, note that I split up anti-establishment into two groups: the unreasonable and the reasonable. Perhaps, Yaw Shin Leong may have certain viewpoints that resemble of a centrist, but it is his political ideology that renders which side he is on.

The sum of all fears is not a fear argument, but the caution that such a move (be it honest or calculated) will render the bloggers without party affliation being forced to take sides.

KH,

I am not sure why they have done that. Perhaps it's a honest mistake, as KTM claimed. Their target audience is the voters by the time of 2011.

In the short run, we get witchhunts happening in the blogs and online forums. In the long run, it will create dissent and distrust int he blogosphere. However, I am not so afraid of that.

Kevin,

Well, a result of me reading too much books and comics and watching too much American TV (X-Files, Babylon 5, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, Heroes, The West Wing and Studio 60)

Kevin

You must be the king of metaphors... this is just beautiful in more ways than one. :)

Kway Teow Man

Personally, the KTM believes that this labelling of anti- and pro-establishment is not really helpful.

In fact, the KTM wouldn't even classify all the non-PAP political blogs as "anti-establishment". For example, the KTM actually finds Yaw Shin Leong quite centrist, even though he is quite unabashedly from WP.

People must understand that a continuum of views exist and even though there is usually a pro-estab position on each issue, it doesn't necessary mean that everyone will take a consistently pro-(or anti-)estab position on all issues, if they are unabashedly pro-(or anti-)estab on some issues.

kwokheng

Maybe so that they can claim to the public that they are allowing dissent, but people should not think that they will not reply.

But the problem with this approach is they have to first answer the questions:

1. Who are our target audience(s)?

2. Do we have enough credibility with the target audience we are going after, for them to believe that this 'replying to dissent' manueurve is indeed going to be good in the long run?

Because things were pretty much evening out in blogosphere in recent months.

The blogosphere that Denise Phua spoke of, is not the same blogosphere as it is now.

Perhaps this has a lot to do with the PAP's 'efforts', that we cannot ascertain.

People would've largely seen it as a matter of time, that the PAP gets down to looking at blogs, etc.

And if you disagree with what's written, you could always comment; PAP or not.

But when there is confirmation that they post replies anonymously, which is going to be read as nothing less than a means of discrediting blogosphere...

It has the same effect as defamation, even if the law doesn't recognise it as such.

kh

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